Apostolic Council on Eschatology, NAR Preterism, and Another Gospel

A day after C. Peter Wagner died, I noticed a Facebook post by Jim Wies.  Here is what it said…

“At the apostolic summit tonight, the spirit of prophecy filled the place in a profound way, and the Lord declared that on this day when Dr. C. Peter Wagner passed on to his reward, God has raised up a theologian to carry on the legacy of shaping the theological perspective of what Dr. Wagner declared to be the New Apostolic Reformation. So then leadership blessed Jonathan Welton and prayed for a new mantle.”

And then there was a picture of Jonathan Welton surrounded by others, being prayed for.

Read my blog to find information on Welton and his teachings…but first let me give you a quote from Jonathan Welton’s FB page from yesterday,

“You are an ambassador and citizen of heaven. You have the fullness of the Godhead in you. You are not to live merely as a human. Yet we must not forget that we live in an active warzone with a rebellious defeated enemy that won’t quit fighting.”

Combine that with what I wrote about last week (here is the quote from his book Understanding the Whole Bible) and what do you get ??

“Clement of Alexandria, one of the early Church fathers, described the atonement this way: “The Logos of God had become man so that you might learn from a man how a man may become God.” Similarly, the third century theologian, Origen, wrote, “From Christ began the union of the Divine with the human nature in order that the human, by communion with the Divine, might rise and also become Divine.” Athanasius, a significant father within the Eastern Orthodox Church, had a grasp of the incarnation and an understanding of God apart from the Platonism that muddled Augustine’s thinking. About the incarnation, he wrote, “The Word was made man so that we might be made God.”

Quotes like these can sound scary to a lot of people. It sounds too much, perhaps, like claiming to be God. However, our participation in the divine nature is really important to our identity as the Bride of Christ, because Christ needs to marry an equal. This, of course, does not mean we become God. The Trinity, the Godhead, is uncreated divinity, self-existing, eternal, always omnipresent and omnipotent. The Godhead is unique and will never be replicated. However, as the Bride of Christ, we become “created divinity”. God incarnated to help humans become incarnate…”

I don’t have much to say about Jonathan Welton anymore.  He says enough on his own.

There are other members of this Apostolic Council on Eschatology that is propelling Jonathan Welton into the position of theologian for the NAR.

Martin Trench is on the council. (please see my post Victorious Eschatology An Example of Roots or Results) New Age guru and professional in building mega-churches.

Joe Mcintyre is on the council.  Here is part of a Facebook post he put up today…

“There is no gospel of salvation. Salvation is just one aspect of the Kingdom. Father is not trying to get us to heaven, He is determined to bring heaven to earth.

God has demonstrated His power in raising Jesus from the dead and enthroning Him with all authority in heaven and on EARTH!

The gospel of the kingdom is not about getting to heaven. It’s about demonstrating the goodness of God to the inhabitants of this earth and inviting them to accept our King.”

Matthew Hester is on the council.  Check out his Dominion Mandate/Manifesto on his DominionChurch.net site…Here is a small quote on his beliefs…

“The word “eklessia” means “those who are called out to rule!” This describes who we are. Theologians differ over how much of the planet will be totally subdued before the Lord comes back. That should not be our concern. Our concern should be that we are headed in that direction, flowing in our dominion assignment, knowing that He is coming back to a battle-tested, obedient Bride (Rev 19:6-7). When He comes we will become immortal and remain on the earth to rule and reign with Him. Until then, we have work to do. Psa 110:1 and Acts 3:21 tells us that we are to subdue the enemies of Christ and present them at His feet to be His footstool!

Our Dominion Assignment addresses 3 major areas of human life:

  1. We are to bring the Gospel to fallen individuals
  2. We are to bring redemption to fallen institutions (family, church, economic order, civil government)
  3.  We are to bring rebellious spirits under  Christ’s authority. This will happen city by city and nation by nation.

J.D. King is on the council.  Here is an excerpt from his October 18th blog.

“If men are by essence evil, then Jesus who was without sin was not really a man. The Bible declares,“it was necessary for Jesus to be made in every respect like us” (Hebrews 2:17). Some overleverage the Lord’s virgin birth to solve this conundrum. Their argument is that since Jesus’ humanity only stems from Mary, He avoided the imputation of sin – because it is supposedly passed through the earthly father. I certainly adhere to the truth of the virgin birth, but I think that it’s sometimes twisted to make Jesus into a different sort of man. It’s difficult to argue that Jesus genuinely represents humanity if He wasn’t truly like us in every way.

Let me get down to my underlying point. We live in a desperately fallen world where there is a vicious propensity toward sin. With the single exception of Jesus, everyone ultimately becomes the embodiment of this corruption. However, that is not because of biology or ancestry. It is because of our own deplorable choices.

Nevertheless, sin isn’t our essence. It is a tragic degradation of God’s design! It is the failure to live up to who we were made to be. Through our own foolish acts of defiance, we have fallen short of the glory (Romans 3:23).

Keep in mind that the problem is not with Adam. It’s with you.”

There are other members. You can check it out here. http://www.endtimecouncil.com/

I am worried about where this is going.  It is not good. Sound the alarm.  There is a connection between preterism/partial, and its teachers, and  the “heaven to earth” message and the NAR.

The sad part is how many people just accept stuff.  Don’t say a word. Never protest or check.

Are we asleep ?  or do we just not care anymore ?

 

 

 

 

Partial Preterism Virus (Raptureless Again)

“So many have held up persecution as a saintly quality in the Christian’s life, but let’s think about it in light of the growth of the Kingdom of God. If our prayers are effective and if Jesus is answering them, then this world will become “on earth as it is in heaven” (Matt 6:10), which would certainly include a lack of persecution. We can pretty safely assume no Christians are being persecuted in Heaven.  Logically, if the Lord’s Prayer is being progressively answered, the outcome should be that earth becomes more and more like Heaven.  Thus, the more the Kingdom expands on this earth and the saints mature into their calling as ambassadors of that Kingdom, the less persecution Christians should face. “

From Raptureless Third Edition (pp 181-182) by Dr. Jonathan Welton

I had written pages about the pride that exudes from this paragraph….and about the connection between the “heaven to earth” message and partial preterism (and for that matter NAR/Kingdom Now/Dominionism) but something came across my desk that I wish to share instead….

“This week, Hungary, which has during the past year come under pressure for its handling of Europe’s mass migration crisis, has become the first government to open an office specifically to address the persecution of Christians in the Middle East and Europe.

Today, Christianity has become the most persecuted religion, where out of five people killed [for] religious reasons, four of them are Christians,” Catholic News Agency (CNA) quoted Hungary’s Minister for Human Capacities, Zoltan Balog, as saying. “In 81 countries around the world, Christians are persecuted, and 200 million Christians live in areas where they are discriminated against. Millions of Christian lives are threatened by followers of radical religious ideologies.” (http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/hungary-opens-first-ever-office-to-tackle-christian-persecution.html)

This virus of pride, delusion, and philosophy is spreading.

Do you see what it leads to?

Do you see what it denies?

Johnny Enlow, Ian Clayton, and Jonathan Welton

Here is a quote from Johnny Enlow.

“We have entered an age when aging will be reversed.  There is now a glory invading the atmosphere that carries a new grace of longevity.  It will become common for God’s kids to carry on in strength while 100 years old.  Then it will extend beyond that.  I see this new descending glory as a cloud touching our atmosphere.  It is necessary to live “tall” enough to touch this glory.  This is not about being holy enough but about carrying the right narrative of this age of restoration of all things.  Those who will carry the glory of this His story will begin to see this shift in their own bodies.  This is not going to be able to be accessed if you are in “I’ll fly away” mode.  If your mind is in escape mode your body will follow.  Rather this will be a progressive reality for those willing to contend for the goodness of God in the land of the living.”

Here is a quote from Ian Clayton.

“We have had three kings that have come out of the east gate that have been walking around the earth, weighing the hearts of the sons of men to see whether there is enough on the earth for the Father to bring a release on the earth of what His desire has been from the beginning.  They came out of the east gate beyond the land of Shur.  The east gate is a trans-dimensional gate to a different realm where magi came from.  The magi didn’t come from the earth and there weren’t three of them.  There were more than three.  The church has framed it as three so you’d believe the lie, and they called them wise men so you don’t understand they were actually magi.  Magi means one who is really freaky who does magic things that the natural world doesn’t understand.  Like moving on animals and things and creatures and air, but not on camels.  Following a star that came out of creation moving into this dimension, they followed it out.  The magi were some of the sons of the first creation.”

Here is a quote from Jonathan Welton.

“The destruction of Jerusalem, the Temple and the priesthood is a major part of understanding the Gospel of Jesus Christ. To not understand the significance of the 70AD destruction is to miss a major component of the redemption story. The destruction of Jerusalem is akin to the virgin birth, the cross or the resurrection. I know that is a huge statement, and even though many Christians have not been taught about this event, it is still an essential component.”

The quote from Enlow is an example of how far the” partial preterist/world is getting better” prophets are willing to go.  I grew up in a manifested sons of God theology church.  Not good stuff.  Later in life I worked in a hotel that hosted many new age/occult conferences.  I would listen in occasionally.  Ramtha (J. Z. Knight) and even Shirley Maclaine talked in similar ways.  Which leads into……

The quote from Ian Clayton could be mistaken for something from The Lost Teachings Of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet or something from The Ascended Masters Of Atlantis or from Edgar Cayce.  Pure occult teaching.

The Welton quote is an example of how far the teachers of the” partial preterist/world is getting better” viewpoint are willing to go.  I guess it took the Holy Spirit over 1970 years to get us to see that partial preterism is “akin to the virgin birth, the cross or the resurrection.”

Why do these men have a voice in some sections of the Church ?

Why?

Is it because pastors and prophets are too weak and too compromised to say something ?

Is it because the love of mammon rules over righteous teaching and thinking ?

Has pushing a narrative become so lucrative that we are willing to blend the Bible with occult and new age teaching ?

Are we bullied by the lie that we are not to name names and cause division ?

Are we so easily manipulated by the progressive spirit at work in our nation that we feel it’s too politically incorrect to expose false teachers ?

All of the above and….

We have gone beyond the Word of God.  Lusts are crying out and ears must be itched.  People want to hear how great they are.  How powerful they are.  How they are going to live beyond 100 so they can conquer mountains like mythological gods !  They want to understand ancient mysteries and knowledge so they feel apart of something out of a Harry Potter book.  Or they want to feel intellectually superior or elite by understanding the Bible in ways that prove they are “elite”.

Watchmen ? Hellooooooooooooo

2 Timothy 4

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry